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Lucas Wiman's avatar

I came to plant-based eating after reading a bunch of fairly mainstream nutrition sources. I noticed a few things:

1. Whole plant foods tended to have consistent evidence of benefits.

2. Animal products (with a few exceptions) were treated as "there is no evidence of harm below X level, but moderation is key!" The only animal foods I could find that weren't known to be associated with health risks were fat-free yogurt and fatty fish.

3. There are a few things that confound a lot of research on meat. One is that fat loss generally improves several markers of health (blood lipids, insulin resistance, etc.), and high-protein/low carb diets lead to short term weight loss. This can mask negative effects of eating meat. The other is that many older studies on saturated fat effectively replaced saturated fat with something just as bad or worse (trans fat or highly refined carbs), which made saturated fat look less bad than it is. More modern studies tend to be precise about what saturated fat is replaced with, yielding more consistent results.

4. I think a lot of diet advice from mainstream organizations tries to "meet people halfway" on meat/dairy/eggs. So guidelines included stuff like 1-2 servings per day, which makes it sound like you *should* eat meat/dairy/eggs. Even the AHA's guideline summary (which is better than most) devotes 7 words to plant protein sources and 22 words to animal products. "Healthy sources of protein (Mostly plants such as legumes, and nuts; fish and seafood; low-fat or fat-free dairy; and, if you eat meat and poultry, ensure it is lean and unprocessed.)"

The last straw for me was in a book about the MIND diet. The idea is that it takes known diets like DASH and Mediterranean, and tweaks them based on foods that are associated with brain health in old age from dietary studies. The author recommended 3 servings of legumes per *week*, since they met the criteria of the diet, then proceeded to also recommend lean chicken meat as an everyday food despite not meeting the rubric described earlier. (The explanation was that you need protein to avoid muscle loss in old age and chicken has protein in it. So even though lean chicken didn't affect dementia risk it was still useful.)

I think if mainstream diet recommendations were more intellectually honest, people would get a more accurate understanding of the health risks of eating animal foods. Something like "Eat a plant-based diet. Animal food is bad for you; minimize or eliminate consumption." as opposed to "Plants are good for you; maximize consumption and reduce meat/dairy/eggs." It's the same underlying idea, but the emphasis matters. In the latter framing, I think a lot of people (eg my parents) end up with the misapprehension that only small changes to SAD are required to make a healthy diet.

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Jean Marie Wilson-Main's avatar

I’ve been a Vegan for twenty years and I was a vegetarian before that. On social media there are always dozens of what they presumably think are jokes from anti vegan people. Anyhow, according to them I should have been dead years ago, I mean, decades of not eating bits of dead animals, how awful. I’m healthier than most people I know and I think that bothers them. However, I’m the person who goes around moving snails, slugs and beetles etc from pavements so people don’t tread on them, so most people have just decided I’m eccentric.

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